Undertrones....who are they??

40? what am I on about...make that 60 odd.

I've heard Arthurs 'Teenage Hits' CD, its pretty good stuff.On the back it has a web address < dressed2kill.co.uk > but I can't get anything.Anyone else want to try? (or could it be that Arthur recorded the CD himself?)

Surely Vinny or Wilke are aware of 'Jet plane landing'?

I love 'Stranglehold' and 'Warhead'...a rare(at the time)chocolate coloured vinyl.

Lee, I have a great album by a group called 'Hagfish'.It's a cross between The Undertones and Ramones and I bought it on the strength of one track I'd heard on MTV (1995).When I got it home I was amazed to see 'Teenage Kicks' as the last track.A brilliant album, right up there with the 'tones first(well, almost).....but TK wasn't a patch on the original.

Reading through the local paper an hour ago and whos in town but Jello Biafra. Last saw Jello with the Dead Kennedys in 1982. Nearly got beaten up but one of the best gigs ever. He's doing a spoken word night. Jello Biafra Uber Alles! (except the Undertones).

That version of 'Never mind the Buzzcocks' was on a few months back.

mansu about do you want the donation on the web page or at the gig vinny yes the version tk was good so were can i get a copy ps about the film itself one of my favourite songs made it in to the film but i won`t say i don`t want to spoil it for all the ones who will be going to see it in england so talk to you lot soon bye

Cliff I don't think it was a repeat, that's the second time JJ has featured on the lyrics round. Go on then Donald, tell us how you were nearly beaten up at the DK gig (a little old lady with a handbag was it?). Rick - is that Classical Punk album still available? I rather like the sound of it.

someone mentioned a feargal sharkey bad video. Well after seeing the Got to Have you back video on Bittersweet VCD I thought I'd seen the mother of bad videos-made by the same production crew as Crackerjack or something...but then again, the 80's was the era of the cheesy video. Nothing can top the My Perfect Cousin video I reckon. Love the bit when John is going into the Guildhall and wipes his nose on his sleeve. Classic!

'jet plane landing' were mentioned in the journal last week i think, must be one of those young people's bands!!!!!!!!

Jackie, The my perfect cousin video is a classic in my view. The 'my life as an undertone' interview with M.B mentions the recording of the video in the O'Neils house where the crew were wondering why the electric suddenly went off while filming. The answer was the meter had run out of 50p's. Now that just adds intrigue to the video and isn't it just a classic Tones story. M.B. tells it better than me.

Another cover version of Teenage Kicks is done by The Saw Doctors on their 'to win just once'- Cd single (still available through their website www.sawdoctors.com;just make sure you order the right (live) version of the single). In the sleeve notes it says:'Ever since we had the wonderful privilege of playing this absolute classic with Billy Doherty and Michael Bradley of the Undertones we've been including it in our encore' It is a great version I think! and it was The saw Doctors who started the Undertones comeback!

Bad taste wallpaper Mrs O'Neill!!

Thanks Donald, CR and Julius

That classical Teenage Kicks sounds like something I'd like to hear. I seem to remember having Something Happens doing a version of Teenage Kicks, but I can't find it my pile of CDs. Might be the mists of time playing tricks on me.

On the subject of crap 80s videos, anyone who's got the Moondogs Matinee vids will vouch for the embarrassing cringeworthyness of the production on that - not a reflection on the band's performance by the way, which was GREAT (just in case Gerry Mc reads this!)

Lyndsay - the Classical Punk album by the London Punkharmonic Orchestra (yes quite) is available on 101cd.com on cassette. I would suggest you trawl other sites for the CD though.

CR & I think it was Lee or Vinny - you've both mentioned you've got Moondogs Matinee on video and I know I've asked this before but any chance of copies of those Moondogs Matinee shows for us 'dogs fanatics. I would pay good money.

CLASSICAL PUNK-THE LONDON PUNKHARMONIC ORCHESTRA. 'MUSIC CLUB' CD NUMBER MCCD 200. Released by Music Collection International in 1995. I bought mine's by accident at a record and Cd fair but that's another story!!

The other punk songs given the classical reworking on the album (as well as Ever Fallen in Love, Teenage Kicks, Germ Free Adolescence and Stranglehold) are White Riot, Pretty Vacant, No More Heroes, Babylons Burning, Holiday in Cambodia, Down In The Tube Station, Love Song, and Where's Captain Kirk. Some work better than others but its a great album for when all your old punk friends come round for a few drinks and you can play guess the song. Also you can play it when your parents come round and they don't shout 'turn that bloody racket down' to these songs like they used to.

Rick and anyone else that might be interested - I think I've got 5 of the 7 Moondogs Matinee episodes on video. Quality of film is not the best as they are copies of copies of copies etc. Unfortunately I don't have 2 vcr's to be able to copy them for anyone. If no-one else has both the video's and the technology I could send my video to someone who can do it. Also I have managed to transfer my, again very poor quality cassette recordings of the TV show onto cd so if anyone wants a copy of that let me know.

Lee - I've got 2 videos amd can do tape to tape copies. Would you trust me with your prized possessions to copy and send back to you ? I'm in London. Where are you ?

Don't trust him Lee ;-))

He's in Birmingham Rick...it's just outside West Bromwich.

I bet the classical version of 'Babylons Burning' sounds brilliant.

Has anybody heard Dr Feelgoods version of 'You got my Number'?(or YGMN-WDYUI..if your CMoS)it's on the 'Brilleaux' album.Not a patch on the original...why is it nobody can get that same great sound the Undertones get? is it just that their so bloody good? I played 'I gotta getta' on the way home tonight and I STILL get that tingle on the back of my neck.(it's nice when you still get a tingle at 40).

I mean, I think Dr Feelgood are (were)a great band and that Hagfish album is superb...yet when they try Undertones songs it just dosent seem to work.

just saw the boomtown rats on top2 doing she`s so modern great did anyone see never mind the buzzcocks last week with guy from the ruts in the line up part of the show did he look old or what good band great songs staring at the rude boy`s great talk to lot later on bye

I saw Dr Feelgood recent at the GBBF - appauling sound quality

Saw Jello Biafra (of Dead Kennedys) last night. That man can talk , about everything from the Gulf war to GM foods. He was talking about people being arrested in Scotland and charged with terrorist offences for attacking a field of experimental GM crops. It turned out some of the people were in the audience!Punk rock. or what.

Ever noticed that the quality of The Undertones 1st is ruined by putting Dolby on it?

Lee I forgot to ask. Are you going to the film fest? If so do you want a lift? Anyone else on route want a lift?

I am very very interested in the Moondogs-videos too!

This is for Manus and Cliff: If it's ok and can be arranged I'm willing to sell t-shirts at the gig in Derry with profits going to bthe children's hospice (Cliff I've sent you an e-mail on this). On the album of Undertones covers You've Got My Number just does not compare - I think a lot of credit must go to the producer Roger Becharian because the song just bursts out at you - the sound of adolescent desparation at it's troser bursting best methinks. I used to love the line 'I'll pick you up in my car' because it was so pretend American. No one I knew had a car at that age and I'll bet none of the band really did .. seeing as they were still living at home. Jello Biafra is on at the Empire this Sunday Donald - is he worth a look?

I have obtained 45 minutes of exclusive VHS video footage of the Undertones gig at Prehen playing fields.I wish to auction it to the highest bidder with the proceeds going to the N.I Childrens Cancer Unit fund.Bidding will stay open until Thurs 18/10/01.Only genuine bids please.Tape will be released to highest bidder on receipt of a bankers order made out to the NI Childrens Cancer Unit Fund.Bids can be made on web site or by E-mail to myself.

Fancy seeing Jello Biafra talking!! The video of Holiday in Cambodia was on VH1 a few nights ago, they looked brilliant and Jello was abit of a heartthrob of mine way back then. Bands today just couldnt hope to write songs or perform like that now- too concerned about their bloody image! Not too sure I'd like to see them now though- Jello must need the money. Found out that Teenage Kicks is not touring to Newcastle Tyneside cinema- incase anyone is interested. A pity as you lot could have treked north too!

CR thanks for the Moondogs Matinee videos e-mail - will follow it up. Jello is obviously following in the once vital Henry Rollins footsteps just at the point Rollins loses the plot (he was crap for the first time when I saw him this year). Off to see the Clash exhibition at a gallery in Camden this week-end - should be good. Other tracks on Classical Punk I'd forgotten about - Alternative Ulster, Hersham Boys, Gary Gilmores Eyes, Sound of the Suburbs and Sheena is a Punk Rocker.

Re Moondogs videos I'm sure I can trust you Rick ! Email me the address but give me a while - extremely busy right now and will be for a week or so. Unless CR has come up with a better option for you of course - and if he has has he got the episodes I'm missing ? Hopefully you can sort Julius out too.

Sorry to say I'm not around for the film and December trip is looking very unlikely now. Depressing or what !

That classical album sounds brilliant. I am definitely going to look it out. Some Undertones news: they are namechecked twice in this month's issue of 'Total Guitar' (go on, you know you all read it)

hi just booked my ticket for the dublin gig great allso order a copy of the classical album from virgin 6.99 can`t wait to hear the full album so i`ll talk to lot soon bye

Great offers from Go- £10 from Newcastle to London. Possibility for seeing the film, rather than suffer the train?

Manus, I'll start the bidding off at £20, I know someone will offer more but it's a start. Let us know if any higher bids are made.

I have a bid of £50 for the video.By the way I forgot to mention that it was filmed by a professional cameraman and is therefore top quality.I am happy if it can be arranged via Cliff that T-shirts be sold at the concert.Arthur the charity is the N.I Childrens Cancer Unit Fund not the hospice.

I'll go £25.

Stansted - Derry Thursday Oct 18th (evening flight)returning Saturday 20th (morning flight)...£70.28.I think I might just be tempted, I need a few drinks and a pogo.

Whoever invented laptops was a fool. I've just finished my 3rd intense 12 hour + working day in a row and I've just about had it. Start working on the pc at this time of night and the chances of sleep are slim. Time for a large drink. Sorry for sharing that with you all !

I have already bid for the video direct. When you eventually overtake me I will let you know. How come you only work 12 hours a day Lee. Do you finish early? I can't even have a drink to relax. I have to make do with drinking chocolate. £10 to London is worth a second look.

Anyone game to come for the concert could crash down at our house or with friends.Small numbers within reason welcome.

Clifgf I forgot to ask.What is the normal price for selling the T-Shirts

12 hour working day??!! PAH!! I've just worked a 26 hour day, had hot gravel for lunch AND I've got to be back at work half an hour ago.(what have I started now??....)

Hot gravel, you were lucky to have hot gravel. I work down a mine for 28 hrs a day, pay the owner for the priviledge and sleep at night in a cardboard box in the middle of the motorway....but try telling kids that today...they won't believe you

I am getting very worried about my Norwegian Blue parrot, I may have to return to the pet boutique with it to complain

Indeed, what have you started Cliff?

Stop being a whimp Phil...sounds like you've got it easy.

Middle of the motorway? You jammy sod.

Cardboard box?...luxury!!

Ok thats enough - this is all getting far too silly ... and now for something completely different ...

Hi Rick, just the person, I'd like an argument please......

Blimey I think I'm going to Derry after all!! Great stuff!! Vince is going, anyone else? Sods law West Brom are playing the same night at Norwich, live on ITV2.I wonder if The Undertones would mind putting a TV on the corner of the stage....

Late start this morning - 8.15am. Fairly high levels of concentration until 11.30 - now the ends in sight. A meeting or 2 will hopefully spread a little light relief, a few more reports and that will be it. Home for the weekend for the usual 2 days of trying to stop 2 boys constantly arguing and bickering with each other. Actually, now I think about it, I'd prefer to stay at work.

Hi Manus - whatever charity it's for is fine. All we need to do is ply Cliff with whelks and jellied eels.

Re. your weekend Lee - snap! Try personal stereo, undertones tape, top volume - works a treat.

I actually know two other West Brom fans in Derry.I always thought they were an endangered species.Unfortunately we dont get ITV2 over here.I will contact you by phone regarding the T-shirts.

Cliff: let me know what your plans are for that w/end in Derry. If you're still here on the Sat, I'll give you the guided tours this time. You may also get a preview of the film if you want?

I'm working all that week away inc the Friday, back in Derry around 7pm.

If I go it'll be on the Thursday evening and returning Saturday morning, so I won't get to see the film.(dagnabbit).To go on Friday and return Sunday is more than double the cost.

Cliff: you'll just have to wait then, just like the band had to until the 22nd September!!If I get finished up early on the 19th, things may change but I doubt it as I'm out of Derry.

A wee tip when buying with Ryanair is put in requests for two return flights at different dates, each one having your REAL in and out dates, sometimes it works out cheaper than one return. Cliff try leaving Stansted on the Friday and 'returning' the following Weds or Thurs and then price one leaving Derry on the Sunday and 'returning' a week later.

You're a sly one Vinny,I'll 'check it out' as they say these days.I really have to work on the Saturday though and the early flight back allows me to do that.

Cliff - I got my ticket last week (number 565). The capacity of the Nerve Centre is 800. So you'd better rings Sounds Around in Derry and order your ticket or do you want me to.

Donald, dead jealous that you got to see Jello, a man well worth listening to. Went to see T.V Smith on thursday night, Excellent evening with Teev mixing old Adverts numbers in with new songs. A man who has stayed close to the spirit of '77 than most. As I said to him it was good to see someone growing old disgracefully. If you can catch him on tour, Go, you won't be dissapointed. The link to his site is above.

Ticket? No doubt he'll be top of the guest list!!

hi went to a kickboxing do last night after the fighting they had disco frist song teenage kicks it was all down hill after that a1 hear say and lots lots of boy bands not long now to the gig still trying to find out were the gig is in cork vinny do you know ?? henry if you log on today can you let me know if the minibus is on or if anyone is flying in to dublin mybe we could meet up and all head down to cork together see you soon

england lucky or what [sorry cliff]so who bid the most for the tones video the wife is down stairs glue to the rep ireland lets hope they win so i can have a quiet night in clad that you can make it to the tones gig cliff are the t shirts going to be on sale at the gig talk to you lot soon

Lucky ??!! thats what you call perfect timing.

Arthur, I've phoned you several times and left messages.I have a ticket now thanks,I called Soundsaround this morning.Can you bring the banner?

Wilke, yes t-shirts will be on sale at the gig.

Apparently theres no ITV2 in NI.I'll have to get a friend at the game to text me updates.

Jello is a star and nice to see someone who hasnt mellowed at all with age. He did go on a bit long though - he talked for two hours before the interval. Certainly makes you think and question things. I expect he is doing the spoken word tour to fight his latest court case. He has lost the rights to the records and is furious that corporate america is using Holiday In Cambodia to advertise Levi jeans- not a happy bunny. If you fancy a thouight provoking political Sunday I would recommend it Arthur.

If by 'endangered species' you mean we're special, to be cherished, marvelled at,and a thing of beauty, I think I'd have to go along with that.

Saw an advert yesterday, forget what it was for but Helen Chamberlain was in it, people were playing football and they had 'Sound of the suburbs'in the background.There definately seems to be a return to this great era of music.

I gave one of my Undertones button badges to that 'punk girl', I didn't get the kiss but a nice big smile...as much as you can hope for at 40.She gave it pride of place above all the other badges(where it belongs).

Surely 'endangered species' means nearly dead, on it's last legs etc.etc. Come to think of it meets the description of West Brom in most weeks. But who am I to talk.

...so speaks an Evertonian!

I see a copy of Undertones Unearthed is on e-bay at the moment. Have to admit England were crap for most of the game today. Beckham had to cover for Scholes and Gerrard who were definitely both having an off day. At least Niall Quinn is now leading Irish goalscorer

England were pretty crap but we do have a habit of thinking all the other top nations ALWAYS play well.Brazil aren't much kop at the moment, Holland havent even qualified, Germany will probably just about scrape through etc etc.Only France are consistent at the moment.(...and the Republic of Ireland)

I wish this musical phase of background dancers would be over.Having just seen the odd bit of Kylie Minogue tonight, as if she wasn't bad enough she surrounds herself with these silly background dancers, what is the point of all that?So many 'artists' do it these days it just looks embarrassing.

Then again I wonder if The Undertones have considered having sexy background dancers? Maybe we could do it, imagine some of us in black leather trousers doing our thing to 'Teenage Kicks' or 'Jimmy Jimmy'? (George, Arthur, Derek, Donald, CR, Wilke and myself...now calm down girls!)

Wouldn't you all be a little stiff at your age?

Anyway, don't the dancers always end up getting off with the band members? (eg. Scary/J.Lo). Mmmm, maybe I'll just post my c.v. to Damian...

Every morning when I check my messages through hotmail I ALWAYS have atleast one telling me how they can increase the size of my private parts.I mean, how do they know??!! Has Doina put out some sort of desperate plea for help to all these companies or does everybody get them?

George, I couldn't see the Undertones 'unearthed' album on ebay but they do have 2 button badges, one of which isn't in your collection.Its a two tone effect without the word 'The'.

Like Steve, I went to see TV smith a few years ago, he did an 'unplugged' set with a mix of adverts stuff, modern stuff and also stuff from his 'TV21' days. Really worth a look. Steve Diggle was at the gig too, my mate and I ended up in the bar with him where he regaled us with tales of being on tour with the sex pistols in america. If only I could remember the details it would make a better story. Anyway TV smith is well worth a look.

Re Kylies show last night - I rather enjoyed seeing 'the odd bit of Kylie' as little Cliff put it.

I don't know about Jello Biafra - I'm decorating the spare room - if I want to hear someone ranting for hours I just need to call in Good Vibes and go for a pint with Hooley. As for background dancers - Cliff in a tutu - now there's a thought. I'll give you a call mate.

Donald how did we know you'd be watching Kylie! I have to confess I was dancing along but my vocals aren't quite up to her standard (the kids even demanded to go to bed at one point!).

Next time don't drink so much P2! I don't recall TV Smith being in TV21 but my memory isn't what it was. Bought a Buzzcocks singles compilation today. Great to hear Noise Annoys again - the song had a big influence on me at the time and probably got me listening to more interesting stuff (like some band called...erm, can't quite remember the name...great songs though!)

Your right Lindsay, Teev was never in TV21, His band in the 80,s was called TV Smith's Cheap. They had an excellent single called Tomahawk Cruise. Lindsay Teev is playing in leeds on Wed 24th at a place called The New Roscoe? I think..Go check him out.

I am losing it big style....Teev's early 80's band was the Explorers (Who did Tomahawk Cruise.)...Followed by Channel Five and then Cheap..... Lindsay is the singles collection you got Singles Going Steady? A finer example of Power Pop you will not find.

Does anyone remember the Birmingham gig (can't think which tour but it was late on possibly last tour before split)which I think was filmed. The tones did have the brass section and if my memory serves me right, I think there were 2 girl backing vocalists for a couple of songs. Am I just dreaming this or can someone else remember?

Has someone else checked out the Dublin rumour?

Will someone volunteer to phone the Olympia? I remember that single tomahawk cruise, never knew who sung it- I do now

Who's got the number and I'll do it. Then if it's on i can book my ticket as well.

Suspect the Tom dublin cancellations are another false rumour. The earlier comment yesterday(10099)from Tom 'hello do you like tonyhawks' was from my 10 year old - who's hobbies are winding me up and skateboards but he didnt do the one about Dublin- it not his style (and its correctly spelt!). Suspect someone took the name to wind us up again.

I am running a bit of a publicity piece in one of the local papers and in the next Derry City home programme focusing around the web site etc to help plug the concert.I will keep some copies for those coming over to the concert.

I read some talk on the site about an accoustic version of My Perfect Cousin .There is a snatch of it in Vinny's documentary.Also there is a classical orchestra version of I think Teenage Kicks.

Lindsay - I kno we can lower the tone once in a while - but posting 10124 ! Not at our age !!!

I've heard the Buzzcocks Singles Going Steady has been re-released with 8 bonus tracks. That would be a good album methinks.

TV21 - another band that deserved far better. Any fans out there - I've got a few cassettes worth a listen - Radio sessions and an In Concert I think and a rare demo. They supported The Moondogs.

Laugh in the face of adversity. Question : Why can't you watch TV in Afghanistan ? Answer : Because of the Telly Ban.

Good joke Rick, have you been on the beer at lunchtime? Perhaps you can help out poor Lee, he seems to have lost his sense of humour. The Singles Going Steady compilation I got is the 2001 version with the 8 bonus tracks (24 altogether) - not bad for 7.99.

Good one Rick - and non-offessive.

just got back from a weekend do and read about the dublin gig did anyone phone to see if it is on or of if not i`ll see about it cliff what kind of t shirts will you be selling at the gig new design or old design so see you later

except they do ban tv-if anyone saw last nights panorama.

Just heard on the news that Aer Lingus is dumping prices to fill up planes and Ryan Air reacted straightaway by offering even more cheaper rates, so that might be good news for us Dublin travelers, I hope this will last until december!

I have got the Buzzcocks boxset 'product' which is great value for the 20 pounds I paid for it, also the classics are on it but also some forgotten but great singles they released after the 3rd album. Will be interested to hear your story on 'Noise annoys' Lindsay! Will mail you on TV21 Lee!

Having read through todays messages again I've now interpreted Lee's message completely differently. If my first interpretation is correct, he's done for but if my second one is right, I'd better hide before he gets on his computer tomorrow.

Yesterday I decided to look at the security video to see if things were as they should be when we're not there.I had left that day at 9:30pm(ish) so started watching just after.A member of staff is behind the counter and then to my horror a member of the public walks casually behind the counter and goes straight to the till!! The member of staff just stands there so my immediate reaction is that they know each other and this has happened before.The suspect is slightly overweight with a big bald patch, and then I realise the awful truth........IT'S ME!!! AARRRGGGHHHHHHH!! These security cameras can be so unforgiving! Anybody know where you can buy 4' diameter toupees?

Cliff try Paul Daniels, Terry Wogan, Elton John. I'm sure they know where to buy toupee's. But just think how much you will save in the future when you no longer need to go the barber (hairdresser for those of you down South!).

4 foot diameter toupee?!! I think you need to see a doctor not a hairdresser Cliff.

No problem interpreting Julius's message.

Cliff: the theory is that people put on 12lbs when on camera, if you look any more than this on your security camera then just keep adding on to the 12lbs theory!! Also, you must have one of those dodgy CCTV cameras that never really catch anyone but are just a deterrent? If you can't even recognise yourself, how are the Police gonna find an intruder!!Don't give your address on this site!Check out an English company called KEENE ELECTRONICS for pinsharp CCTV cameras, no I'm not on commission!I've seen enough cameras without having to get into CCTV.

Olympia Dublin phone number is(IRL +353) 1 677 7744 if anyone still needs at ticket-but then again if they've cancelled they can have mine!

Harmony in My Head is an all time favourite. As for the Dublin gig - unless anything appears in white from a recognisable source - I assume it's a hoax.

Thanks for the 12lb theory Vinny, I owe you a pint for that.The reason I didnt recognise myself was that its an angle you never see yourself from.As for all the other cameras.........

very funny Arthur! get that thing polished up mate(I mean the banner).

Anybody know who's supporting Oasis on Sunday?

Lindsay - not sure now which was your first interpretation and which was your 2nd but I don't want to be 'done for'. There was supposed to be a bit of humour in there somewhere - maybe a Frankie Howard voice might help - 'A little stiff ! - Ooh I say !'. No offence meant.

Just heard about the FriendsReunited.co.uk site which has loads of contacts from schools etc. At first I thought what an awful idea going back in time 20 odd years and rediscovering friends that if I wanted to keep in touch with I would have but then I remembered all the Undertones fans from school who I haven't heard from for so long. Might try it after all.

Is Nigel still on here? Albion V Charlton tonight, can't go though.

Hmmm. Like you I have my doubts about FriendsReunited Lee. The fatal flaw as I see it is whats to stop people posting totally fabricated details like 'Now fabulously wealthy, with ex-model partner, yacht and chateau in the South of France' when they're really twice divorced, on the dole, and living in a bed sit in Rhyl.

Tome Petty - Playback 6 CD boxse4t - dont even go there - stick with 'Product' and you have enough dosh left for 'Heart And Soul'

Tom Petty's excellent.I saw him on that American disaster appeal programme last week.He just wont back down.

i gave the olympia a call as far as they know gig still on went down to my sons kick boxing class last night got talking to a few people the undertones came up and one of the peoplei was talking said that they had a sign copy of teenage kicks i think i talk him in to giving it to me hope so

Wilke, the t-shirts will almost certainly be a new design.

No offence taken Lee. Strange you should mention the FriendsReunited site, I was only told of its existence at the w/e. I wanted to have a look to see if I knew anyone but you have to register to do this and I'm not a very good liar.

Just encountered no problems booking my tickets for Dublin. If anyone can find out the tel no for the theatre in Cork I'll call to see when the tickets are going on sale.

From what I am told this Friends Reunited site is taking off by word of mouth. My brother in law told me about it and he said in September alone it had gone from something like 20 contact names at the start of September from his old school to over 100 at the end of September. I got a mention by someone and my wife was mentioned by someone at her primary school who she hasn't spoken to for almost 30 years. She has already received an email from him. There are some funny sections where you can put comments about teachers etc but it probably needs a bit of thought for the person you could be slagging off - not that any of us would do that about anyone !

Where is everyone? Watching the footie no doubt. I'd rather talk about the Undertones but as there's no-one to talk to I may as well go and do the ironing.

The phone number for The Savoy box office (Cork) is 00 353 21 4253000. My Dad asked about 'Undershirts' tickets - he never was very appreciative of the boys talents!Anyway apparantly tickets will not be going on sale until at least early November. I've not yet tried myself, but I am trusting the information I have been given, and will wait until November. There are some good pubs in Cork near the Savoy. I list some closer to the time. And I still want a tee shirt!

You may aswell ;-))

well lindsay you might as well do somethig that is far more interesting than football

I've already met some of my first pupils- now at university etc. No doubt some of them would have a go at me given the chance! I reckon this could be one for the teaching unions..only joking I think its a good idea and I too heard about it very recently. Not sure I would like to speak to anyone I knew from the past- George is bad enough(just kidding George!;-))

Had a t-shirt order from Vienna tonight, thats a first.

CMOS: See the link. Getting mentioned alongside FILTH AND THE FURY, Wow!!

I see one of the reviewers of your film Vinny comments that it is a little on the short side. Perhaps an extended version should be made available for the DVD market with out-takes, how the film was made etc.

Yep, interesting stuff.'This is a nicely made film, with input from a wide range of sources, though you cannot help wishing that Sharkey would be more forthcoming with his view on the band split. That old chestnut 'musical differences' is wearing ever so slightly thin'.Does it simply mean that Feargal wanted success at any cost whereas the others stuck to their beliefs, or am I being hopelessly naieve?. Reviewer Giles Wright

Oops sorry about that 'Reviewer Giles Wright' bit.

That CD Arthur was talking about, 'Teenage Hits..a tribute to The Undertones' is available on: dressed2kill.co.uk/

I think even neutrals would agree last nights game was better than the ironing.

Never even noticed but I past the 200 mark on the posting tally a while back. Slipped behind Rick though (no lurid comments please) - but with this post go back ahead of Rick.

Now roaring ahead of Rick - okay I will stop now posting for the sake of it.

CR or Rick - I keep meaning to email you at home but am still too busy so never get the time. Did you sort out the Moondogs video's between you and had CR got the 2 episodes I'm missing ?

Posting tally doesn't update online then - how does it work CMoS - you don't have to add them up do you ?

It's got to be said - Juan Sebastian Veron - is he some player or what. To stand out in a midfield including Beckham, Keene, Scholes nad Butt takes something but he was magnificent last night.

Arthur surely you should be commenting on Darren Huckerby and how Man City managed to score 6

Lee - you obviously have a psychological complex and fear of not being able to keep your tally up (lurid comments welcome). Incidentally, if you're fit I'm happy to slip behind you any time. I'm investigating a source CR provided for the Moondogs videos - I'll let you know my progress.

Hang on, didn't you once (probably more than once actually!) tell me off for being naughty on here Rick?!! And why did I go and mention football again - you'd think I'd know better after a year and a half.

Football yawn

hello cliff i try to post that dressed 2 kill page but with no luck are you sure that it is the right web page try to get the savoy in cork today with no luck look`s like nothing is going right today i think i`ll just go down and put on some tones and have a good end to a bad day

There's a good plug in DERRY NEWS today for the .net site

Well I'm back and it's got nothing to do with Charlton beating WBA a by a lucky penalty Cliff'just been very busy and things have just started to settle down.Will be reading the latest entries to get updated with what as been happening in the world of the Undertones and looking forward to some intelligent chat!

On the posting tally front Vinny and I have been neck and neck for about 6 weeks!

Lee and Rick , would you two naughty boys stop arguing about who's got the biggest tally.Nigel, good to hear from you but if its intelligent chat you're after you're in the wrong place. Superb musical taste we can do.

As for man City, a little while back they hammered Sheff Wed away. Someone in work asked about their progress and I said they were liable to get stuffed in the next match. Sure enough 0-4 at home to Wimbledon. I spoke to the same person again and stated that it wouldn't surprise me if they hammered someone by 6. I swear this is true. It's not based on any science - just expect the unexpected. Wilke - I wouldn't worry too much anout that tribute CD. It's strictly novelty value and is I suspect the work of one or two people in a home studio. If I ever get time, I'll do you a copy. On the musical front - I'm getting into the Strokes anmd also a band called Inter who are very, very good in a youngish way.

Arthur: Did ye know the Strokes are on the same label now as The Undertones? Sanctuary Music are the label that have The Tones' material at present and apparently have The Strokes also. Coincidence or just great judgement??

Mention of a Wimbledon win is of course allowed. Welcome back Nigel (re. intelligent chat, Simon told me his school choir are also involved on the SClub single).

Sorry Vin your pixs wil be up after lunch

Please stop talking about football everybody, 2 home defeats in 2 days, I'm depressed.Still, 'its only a game'...yeah, right.

Cliff: all has been arranged. Talking to Manus last night at, guess where?, my first Derry City match in God knows how long. They beat Bohemians 1-0 and I think I'm hooked again. I used to film the matches for Derry City FC many years ago(1985).Really enjoyed the game. There's a part in the film leading up to The Vibe gig and after an interview with the band in The Brandywell that I think Derry City Fans will enjoy. Anyway, I'm giving Manus 'the tape' today for you to watch next Thursday or Friday. You have to try and imagine you're watching it on a big screen!!I'm off to Cork tomorrow for the screening there.Will keep you all informed.

Sorry, I just realised that Cliff asked people to stop talking about football and this when I decide to talk about it for the first time EVER on this site!!

I must be dense but what actual number do you have to ring when you get the plus sign on the number for the Dublin theatre? Can't book the film tickets over the phone till 19th Oct. I think i'm going to both.

See link for SAVOY, CORK

Code for Dublin is 00353 and then the Dublin number or 0044 and then the number

It's probably good judgement that The Strokes are on the same label as the Undertones. Some labels have pedigree ie Atlantic and dare I say it Sire records where you know that the materiel is going to be quality. As for the Strokes they're good but in a Worthington Cup way compared to the Tones Champions League materiel. I bought the White Lines CD on CR's recommendation - so I'll let you know my thoughts later.

Arthur - I think you mean the White Stripes don't you ? Or have you been following Liam's advice that 'you might as well do the white line' or 'you're chained to the mirror and the razor blade'. Remember Grandmaster Flash ? - 'White Lines - Don't Do It (Baby)'

Well this is my first day off work sick in the last 14 years, caused by pressure at work giving me headaches. In my absence apparently they have had a staff meeting this morning at which redundancies were discussed. If I have recovered sufficiently to go to work on Monday I imagine I will find out my fate then. If I still have a job on the Tuesday I will 'celebrate' 23 years at the same company. I am being held responsible for the cutbacks because I didn't tell my boss quick enough or loud enough that his spending plans did not match our income. The fact that every member of the management team have failed to meet their income targets seems to be irrelevant.

Hope the next week or so goes well George. At our company we seem to have been in a never ending cycle of redundancies and staff changes. I've survived so far. My promotion earlier this year now puts me in a position with 32 people reporting to me via other managers and hopefully in a position where you can do some good and feel you have an active part in making sure we don't have to make what must be awful decisions when it comes to the point when redundancies are inevitable.

See DERRY JOURNAL link for story in today's paper about CORK FILM FESTIVAL

George- you're indispensible to your company,make sure you tell them that! And what is your reward for loyalty? I've been loyal to my school for 13 years and got sod all for it so I'm thinking of changing careers. Though at least my job is safe at the moment, so a move might not be a good idea.I'm going to ring GNER to book a seat to get down for Sunday showing of TK- will there be enough seats to go round Vinny? Dont want to book up if there'll be no tickets left! I'll have to sneat in the fire door like I used to at our local flea pit..

Just went to FriendsReunited and read that all the thugs and bullies who made my life hell at school are the only ones posting anything. These people are the type Lee mentioned that you wouldn't want to meet again in a thousand years anyway. In fact the sort you wouldn't p*ss on if they were on fire. The only consolation is that they seem to have done very little with their lives. Typical posting seems to be 'Still live on Teesside, been married for 14 years, 2 kids, see some old school mates when go out drinking every Friday.' Ho hum.

White Stripes well on first listen - Shite Stripes would be morte appropriate. It sounds to me like a load of ill conceived ideas that would have been a third rate demo at best. Must admit, I'm really getting into the Strokes but my star recommendation is an album by a band called INTER - it really is worth checking out.

comment for anonymous: your boss has this typical manager-virus which is called 'the shareholders shall be pleased', which is a virus that causes very short-term policies:only interest what the shareholders will say next month and not interested in next year's results, this type of managers is only interested in today's targets and -to my opinion- are very bad for the long term running of a company. Sadly the world is full of these kind of managers. But back to music: Arthur,thanks for the tip on Inter wil check them out. The Strokes is a great album and I am not too impressed by the White Stripes either. Als been enjoying a swedish band called Ceasar's Palace recently

I too have work woes. Just found out today my job share partner is going to be off for up to four months with depression. That's the third person I know this year who's succumbed to this modern-day disease. I used to work for an insurance co. paying claims based on inability to work and traditionally the majority of claims were from manual workers falling off ladders etc. Nowadays the highest number of claims generated are for mental and stress disorders suffered by workers in white collar occupations. I shall be advising my boys never to go anywhere near an office.

The adverts that really get on my wick at the moment are the ones from 'Insurance Claims Companies'- 'no win no fees', but if you do win the lawyers take most of it and the rest of the insurance holders pay higher premiums cos of claim so some pillock who cant climb a ladder because there wasnt the correct Health & Safety instruction on it. Its the nanny state gone mad. I got pissed and fell over, who can I sue. Hope work improves anonymous (not very). I'll look out for the Strokes and Inter. Should have stuck to the white lines Arthur!Good luck for Cork Vinny, good to see the film and bad get so much publicity.

band not bad! Must cut down on the white lines.

The site has got lots of mentions in the Derry media.I have told Cliff he is approaching legendary status.A mention in the Derry City match programme.It doesnt get much better than that.I will have the video for the auction next week.Highest bid still only £ 50.I think there are some crafty poker playing types out there who are hedging their bets.Come on folks this is for a good cause.By the way Anthony has his own web site at http://anthonymartin4@tripod.com​ The chapter from the Martin O'Neill biography which was dedicated to Anthony is on the site.Please read it and up your bids for the tape.

Thanks Donald, I'm heading for CORK in about...7 hours time.. who says I'm nervous??

Got my booking confirmed for Dublin, it looks posh, though David is upset it doesnt have a bar- I had to remind him we were in Dublin- every other building is a bar no doubt! After my original description of Globetrotters he was expecting.. the worst, but it does look nice. Can't wait.

I agree Jackie, it does look a bit posh. Hope they let me in!! Tell David not to worry, we can always 'create' a bar. As for Cork, no doubt Vinny will be able to give us the lowdown on the local hostelries on his return.

well now that the weekend is here get set for football talk looking forward to the gig this week so see you lot later ps

who can beat newcastle's four goals then?

It gets better! Just booked my train ticket for 18th November, only £31! George, this bargain can't be missed.

GNER web address George incase you're interested. Try for Daypex ticket.

I left this last night but it didnt seem to get through.Bidding for the video is still at £50.Some poker playing types are holding their cards close to their chest.The video is a genuine one off.By the way you can read Anthony's story from the Martin O'Neill biography at his web site http://anthonymartin4@tripod.com​

I don't know Jackie but Crystal Palace had a damn good try. Oh the shame! Great to hear you can make the Sunday so we can meet up and discuss all things Damian (no doubt Rick will join in too). Looking forward to watching Naked Gun tonight - one of my all time favourites.

What time are you travelling Jackie. The alternative for me might be to fly down on saturday, return on the monday and stay at my sisters for the weekend. She lives at Harlow which is not far from Stansted. That way I qualify for the £20 round trip. Flying on a Sunday costs £50 one way.

Yes Julius - Inter are well worth checking out. Also well worth checking out is the video 'Best in Show' from the guys behind Spinal Tap. Absolutely hilarious in places. Hope Cork went well Vinny. On Friday I'll be watching the best band in the world go through their paces. I can't wait. As for work - if you'd don't enjoy it - get out. Life's too short.

Just noticed there's a punk special on TOTP2 on Wednesday featuring The Jam, The Ruts, X-Ray Spex, Pistols, Clash, Plastique Bertrand (what!?!) and The Ramones. Now I don't want to state the obvious but isn't there someone missing from this list? Maybe time to prepare an irate email to TOTP headquarters.

How was Cork Vinny?Give us the gossip. Does the film being finished mean that you will stop filming the concerts?

But George you've then got to get from Stanstead to Brixton- expensive! I'm going on the 7.30 train, could have got the 8.30am but I thought arriving at 11.00 am would be better. I'm going home on the 8.00pm train. (Give me a few hours shopping after the film is over!)Let me know what you decide to do.

Shucks Manus get away with you, legendary status indeed! ......really though, legendary you say?? ;-))

A legend in his own lunchtime, even!

hello does anyone know if the lighting seeds have a best of out to any one going to the gig this week if you see a 40 something at the gig pogoing like a mad man and wearing one of cliffs great t shirts come over and say hello it would be great to put faces to some of the names from the web page see ya

Wilke - there was a Lightning Seeds 'Best of' released in 1997 with a cover showing Ian Broudie surfing down the Mersey. A mighty fine album it is too. I'm sure you'll be able to obtain a copy from somewhere.

Lightning Seeds - whatever happened to them ? Life of Reilly is a classic IMO

This will be a long one so I will have to split it. Sorry for boring you with this but it seems relevant given the postings about claims. Why do so many coincidences happen on this site ? Found out at the weekend that my dad will get nothing for an injury he got at work 5 years ago and then I get here to find postings about the same sort of thing. My dad must have been 57'ish and had never had any hint of Arthritis. He was the 6th person at work to slip on some petrol after they decided one of the cutbacks they could make was to eliminate the person who filled up the lorries. Everyone could fill up themselves they thought. So this happens but not everyone has the time to clean up after themselves. So my dad slips and his knee goes and he can't walk properly.

Goes to many doctors visits all of who say he isn't fit to work, tries surgery which may improve it. 6 months later it is obvious it is never going to get better. As his job involves lifting he sees the doctor again. Opinion - he cannot do the same job and never will be able to - oh and by the way there is a hint of Arthritic problems starting. From this it's decided best thing is to go for Ill Health Early Retirement. That happens - start a claim which for 4-5 years has suggested would be straightforward and my dad would get loss of earnings, extra for the pain he has had to suffer, extra for the amounts he has had to pay people for jobs he can't do any more etc etc. I know everyone would say this but my dad is not the type to sit around. He would much sooner have been at work than been at home for the last 5 years.

Over the weekend in comes a letter - final offer with no loss of earnings and in fact with a lower value than he has incurred in costs. Reason - a very early doctors diagnosis apparently signed 5 years ago that no-one had seen before until now, that says he should be fit for work in 4-6 weeks. But this was before all the doctors visits and further diagnosis. Because the arthritis problems have set in - which no-one has said were not caused by the fall - he has been advised to accept on the basis that the real reason that will be argued that he had to give up work was arthritis which appeared just at the same time that his work related injury had healed. Talk about unfair !

Shouldn't your Dads solicitor have been aware of that early Doctors report? Even so, Doctors can make mistakes and this one obviously did.Surely you can take the matter further.

I think he should have been made aware of it but when it appeared I don't know. I hope there is somehow that it can be taken further but the solicitor didn't sound hopeful. We shall see.

Lee, sounds a complex case and you're poor dad is stuck in the middle. Is it a claim against the employer for negligence or is it a claim on your dads Income Protection cover? You would have to prove that your dad did not have pre-existing arthritis in the affected joint before the fall which would be difficult. I supose you just have to be guided by your lawyer. Good luck

Your dad has a genuine case Lee but there are so many out there ready to milk the system- we had a shifty bloke in the cloakrrom at school one lunchtime and when I tackled him he said he was taking photos of a radiator cos his daughter had fallen and damaged her nose some years previously-proceeds to sue the school! I hope your dad gets justice though Lee it must have been such a stressful time for him.

George are you feeling better?

A report about Cork and a recce of The Savoy will follow, I'm shattered, overwhelmed again but shattered!!

Since when did you become an insurance expert Donald! You are right though about the pre-existing condition clause relating to Income Protection cover but generally the condition has to be known about or is already being treated for when the policy is taken out. Depends on the policy wording as they're all slightly different and some companies are more likely to payout than others. We even had an electric chair type contraption to test people's abilities on! Suggest you try taking the matter up with the Insurance Ombudsman if you haven't already.

Vinny, look forward to hearing all about it. Did anyone see the article in the Sun today featuring ex-punks and what they're doing now. Wonder why they didn't ask us!

hi has anyone notice that they seem to be using undertones songs they used here comes the summer on sky tonight for there music shows and teenage kicks on a show on bbc2 last week lee hope everything works out for your dad cliff any hints as to what the new tee shirts will look like and how much are they vinny don`t leave anything out

Funny how things all happen at once. The Proclaimers were just on a local TV showing singing a song about insurance claims called 'everyones a victim, were becoming like the USA'. Best line was them saying they should sue their parents for bringing them up in Fife!Look forward to the report Vinny.

I deal with the little blighters claims from childrens play area's, parks, skateparks, b.m.x tracks and football fields etc. You should hear some of the stories. I fell over grass clippings and broke my Rolex watch - I didn't see the wet paint sign when I sat on the bench in my armarni suit etc.It doesn't help being near to the headquarters fo Claims Direct. Such is life.

We really do talk about allsorts on here. Thought I would bring the Undertones up. After watching a short clip of T Rx tonight , I would like to start the vote for Get In On as an encore, how about it? Anyone whos feet dont tap as soon as they hear that riff is clearly dead.

Not really a report but a recollection!!I arrived in Cork around 2.30pm, checked into the hotel and went to The Kino Cinema around 3.00pm to see what it looked like. It was lovely, one of those old arthouse cinemas that held around 220-230 people. The receptionist said 'can I help you?' and I pretended that I was looking for tickets for the film that night and she said 'sorry we sold out about half an hour ago'. I couldn't pretend any longer and I said 'that's great as I am the Producer'!!!!!!!!Next part coming up.......

I have to do this as we have to do it in parts?Later I met up with Damian at the guest registration place, got our free teeshirts and passes.Damian and I then went to The Savoy where coincidentally there was an Irish Film Board reception for new Irish films inc TEENAGE KICKS. The Savoy is entered thru a Shopping Centre Mall in the centre of Cork and is a really nice venue. The Recption we had was actually on the balcony overlooking the stage etc. It was like a very large version of the Mean Fiddler and a smaller version of The Astoria. It'll be agreat gig there in December. Later we met up with Paul, had a meal with the Cork Film Festival Crew and then went to the Screening at 9.00pm

The place was packed, during the film they had to turn people away.Before the showing, the Festival introduced Tom Collins(Director), myself, Damian and Paul to the crowd, to great applause!!Embarassing.The film was shown and it got an amazing round of applause at the end. We then had to do what's called a Q+A session, Questions from the audience and hopefully answers from us!!It went really well. Oh, I forgot to mention one of the famous Irish Undertones' fans, RODDY DOYLE the writer was there, in fact he'd stayed on in Cork an extra night just to see it!! We'd met him at The Savoy earlier and he was delighted to be introduced to Damian and Damian was delighted to be introduced to him!!

He really was a down to earth fella and a real Undertones fan. Anyway, afterwards we all headed to the Cork Opera House where the Cork Film team all meet up for a drink and a live band, who didn't come on until near 1.15am!!Cover versions etc, very good. After a few drinks, Damian and Paul were encouraged by the Festival Director, Mick Hannigan, a big fan, to come up and do TEENAGE KICKS!The place went wild, for the three minutes anyway of TK!!

The band then went off as they couldn't follow that could they?After this the Cork Film Festival took us to a secret location for bottles and bottles of champagne declaring that it was the highlight of the festival.PS I don't like champagne, give me a good pint anyday, one glass is fine but after that your stomach starts to say 'give me me pint Vinny!'Well that's it, I'll

not bore ye with the nightmare of journey home to Derry last nite, thanks to Aer Lingus. Thanks to Damian and Paul for getting there and all the Cork Film Festival people. John, Michael and Billy couldn't make it due to other commitments.See ye all on Friday night!!!!

Lee, it is a sad story. I don't think I can be much of an advice as the Dutch Insurance system probably works different but my experience is that insurance companies always say no at first and when you take the matter further, they reconsider and might give a positive reaction. Insurance companies just do not like to pay out as that are their costs, I know a guy who worked at an insurance company and his sole task was to look for ways to say no to claims; if customers took the matter further, well it was time for a further and proper investigation. It will cost time and trouble but take it further Lee! Great news about Cork, Vinny. As a journalist I have watched the film too and will write a review very soon; it is very good indeed: it is a honest picture of a great band who did not know they were good and it has been made very well. I'll send a copy of the review to CMoS. By the way: I read most Roddy Doyle books

Absolutely brilliant story Vinny, you must be proud as punch.....Roll on Friday night!!

Champagne and white wine just make me fall asleep.'quick, give him some then' I bet you're all thinking.

Proud of the film but even more proud for The Undertones and what they have and are achieving now!Word of advice, Cork people are big fans of theband so when tickets come out, get them quick.The Savoy is also a popular venue.Bye for now.

Sounds like an excellent night. Thanks for the report Vinny and may your liver recover soon.

Fit as a fiddle the next day Donald, fit to fight with Aer Lingus Customer Services soon anyway!!

On the journey home tonight everbody around me looked depressed.Its getting dark earlier, the weather is grey and miserable, we were all in a traffic jam.So why was I sitting there with a silly grin on my face? coz the first album was booming out on the car stereo and 'I gotta getta' in particular,just makes me smile for no apparent reason.

like the review vinny, particularly you introducing yourself as the producer. Did the Undertones not used to do Get it On by T Rex as an encore.

Yes they did, and 'Rock'n'Roll' by Gary Glitter.'Time is tight' was a favourite of mine.

So Roddy Doyle is a fan and Frank McGuinness the playright, world renowned literary figures. Do you think that maybe just maybe, the band will start to believe that they were and are fantastic or is that too much to hope? Congratulations Vinny for making the film and bringing their story to people again. Fantastic.

If memory serves me right, is it not insurance company policy to string out claims and then to make an offer pitched lower than you might expect. If you decide to pursue the claim - you take the gamble of facing legal costs should your final settlement be less or equivilent to the Insurance companies latest offer. That said, surely your lawyer would have looked for signs of arthritis in other parts of your father's body not affected by his accident. If there were none - it would seem to be too much of a coincidence. I'm not sure if your father was in a Union and it was their lawyer he was using. If he was not - I would suggest a second opinion. The difficulty you face is in finding a competent lawyer and I would contact a Trade Union such as the GMB and ask their legal department who they use.

Well done Vinny - sounds like it is going deservedly well. So when does Teenage Kicks - The Undertones 2 go into production ?

Thanks for all the thoughts and advice re the claim. We shall see what happens but as it has taken 5 years and more already I don't expect it to be quick.

Any other fans of The Proclaimers after Donalds posting ? I bought their recent album and I think it's excellent. Very upbeat at times but after you get past the songs about drinking and getting drunk their lyrics have always seemed very real and soulful in a way. There are a number of songs on this latest one dealing with their thoughts after their father died. Very moving.

Vinny's message sent me into a panic so I tried calling The Savoy Theatre only to get one of those infuriating press 1 for this, press 2 for that messages. I tried pressing everything but it kept cutting me off so after three attempts I gave up and emailed (with sob story of sad Undertones website members coming all the way over from England etc, etc). Reply says tickets on sale mid November and to email back around then. Glad to hear the w/e went well Vinny and you were very well looked after (although I agree with you about the Champagne - too dry for me - more of a Babycham girl myself!)

Anyone remember 'Tequila' as an encore? Can I add my congrats Vinny- wish I'd been there- (to drink all the unwanted champagne) through a straw naturally! Verve Cliquot is my favourite...though I have to say I prefer lager!! All this talk of drink is making me thirsty.

Paul McLoon is a guest on Today FM tomorrow Wednesday. His only competition is the footy

Found out today that it is definitely me or my assistant who will be made redundant. They will save more money by getting rid of me, though the list of who can do what suggests it should be my assistant who is chosen. We asked if we could possibly arrange some form of job share costing me about a third of my gross pay if we were both kept on. If I am chosen my statutory entitlement will be about £9000. There may be an enhancement, but even though we are going through a redundancy process the management haven't had the sense to confirm what any enhancement would be. Lions led by donkeys does spring to mind!

George, I know someone who can empathise with your situation. Alastair got his 40th birthday present yesterday (albeit 6 days early) - 'voluntary' (verging on the compulsory) redundancy. Like you say, he will probably be replaced by some youngster who they can get away with paying peanuts to.

We are a depressed lot these days aren't we. Things don't seem to be going well. Hope there is good news for George and Alastair soon. These things must turn around and hopefully we will all be on a high sometime soon.

Sorry to hear about the job news George and Alastair.

Sorry to hear the bad news, George and Alastair. If you choose the today fm website, you can listen in clear to the live audio of the broadcast if you choose the windows mediaplayer on the website (in the 'Tune in' section), this mediaplayer is standard on most PC's. I listen to Tom Dunne almost every night, worth a listen, especially now Paul is coming.

George,you might be wrong.I'll put money on your assistant being chosen to leave.If they can save money either way but you have more experience and knowledge I would have thought they'd keep you on.Good luck.

T-shirt enquiry today from Barcelona.(or is that BarTHelona?)

Unfortunately (or fortunately as it may prove to be) I was right and am now serving my notice period at home. I must admit it is almost a sense of relieve cos I would never have quit like Arthur suggested. I appreciate how Alistair must have felt Lindsay. Maybe it will have a silver lining. Anyway as a belated birthday present to myself I hope to make my long overdue entry on the spread the word tour by paying a visit to New York on 1st November. Flights and accommodation are booked. For the last six months I have been working for Barclays at a call centre on an evening so I am not totally despondent.

At the belfast concert I tried to convince John to play some dates in New York this year but without success. Knowing my luck I will return home on the 5th to find the band have announced an american gig the following week!

I doubt it George, bearing in mind the situation in the USA at present.

George I'm shocked and stunned to hear your news- I cant believe it! You have been so loyal to that company, God you were working for them when I met you in 83! What a bunch of t****s...So many companies are doing this at the moment, if you ask me its just an excuse to save money on the back of September 11th.

George & Alistair I'm sorry to hear about your news. Hope something better comes your way soon. Lee, I used to work doing the admin for the people who made the decisions about health claims for a large insurance company. Julius is right to say keep on making a fuss. I've actually just finished writing a letter to the insurance ombudsman myself as I've been mis-sold a policy. Don't bother phoning them they're useless. Hope somebody has some good luck soon

What's happened to Billy (DTU). Has CMoS security measures excluded him? Is anybody definitely going to the Derry charity concert on Friday

Can I join please.

I'd like to think that Billy (TDU) is still lurking - passwoirds are available from the asking - but as sall you DSPers know attenuating noise also attenuates signal.

Here you see the effect of order by date last upodated - c.f. IDs

Really sorry to hear your news George. Hope something better comes along very quickly. I know it's nothing in the scheme of things but if I can do you a tape or cd just to cheer you up a bit let me know.

Oh dear - another ambitious one I'm going to have to split - sorry about this. Seeing George's news just reminded me of how badly an instance at work a few years ago was handled. A good friend of mine worked for the company for 6 or 7 years. He had a very young family - in fact when he had to leave they had a 4 month old baby. We got took over by an American Company in May. They had grand ideas of centralising our European operation which sounded good for us but not for our European equivalents.

Part 2 - My friend was in a very specialised area earning 30k'ish and did most of his own work without consultants and kept offering to train himself up with a few courses, probably costing 10k max. on European rules in his area. Kept getting told - no can't spend that amount of money on training. 6 months go by still no change. Just a week or so before Christmas he gets called in - big American boss says we don't think you can handle the european side of things. In fact, 6 months ago we recruited a european expert from our auditors but we've just been waiting for her to have a baby until we can release you. She will be ready for work January 1st so you can go now - we will pay your 1 months notice of course. I since found out she earns not far off double his salary and the consultancy budget is now in excess of 500k.

I know its terrible losing a job but unemployment figures fell again this month to their lowest levels since 1975. I'm sure our friends on this site will get new jobs soon. We all remember the early '80s and a record 3 or 4 million unemployed under Thatch. The job markets at least as not as bad as that anymore. Nowadays its just that there is no job security. As a boss recently said to me 'you need to take a 'portfolio' approach to your working life rather than expecting long term positions'. Sad but true.

Good luck to you both in your job hunt. No consolation I know but my sister who lives near Leeds was recently made redundant and found a new job in less than 4 weeks.

Anyone who didn't remember to watch/tape TOTP2 last night missed one of the better shows - The Jam , The Clash, The Ruts. Also the Brotherhood of Man, Three Degrees etc for those with wider musical tastes. Thanks Rick and Lee for your thoughts.

The Clash were on TOTP2 - wonder if they object to that as much as they objected to being on TOTP when they were with us. Currently playing a lot of the recent Joe Strummer album which I like. If in the late '70's you had told me one day I would quite enjoy a 17 minute instrumental by Joe and his band I think I would have said you were mad.

Vince, I've just remembered you from the Tottenham (you'd had a few drinks by then and so had I!) - have a good one. Are you and Cliff staying at the B&B? Say hello to Margaret from me. PS. Thanks for all the messages everyone.

I'm sure everyone is in for a good night tomorrow and I hope lots of money is raised for your cause Manus. Just wish more of us could get over to join in the fun.

Hope things work out George and Alistair, I'm sure they will. Joe Strummer's touring soon and I would recommend it, if he's anywhere near you Lee. Got tickets for Ash in December, Proclaimers sold out unfortunately and Soft Cell on Sunday.'Stnading in the dooor of the pink flamingo crying in the rain'. Hope tomorrow goes well Manus. I've lost 3 friends to leukaemia so I hope you raise bucketloads of cash.

George, I really am sorry to hear your bad news. As the eternal optimist, all I can say, something better will happen, that's fate etc etc but that's not much use to you now having only got the news, but it will. You're a good fella and something good will come out of this, I promise.

And Alaistar, I've only just read as I have been away all week. THE BBC HERE HAVE NOW GIVEN THE TX DATE AS WEDS 7 NOVEMBER AT 10.30pm, as far as I'm aware it's regional TX only.It's going to press this week so you're the first to know!!

Strummer's on in Birmingham I think - 20th November. Any others from the Midlands going ?

I assume TX means transmission Vinny. By regional is that Northern Ireland only. Don't forget to set your video on 7th November Arthur cos' we will be relying on you for copies.

Are you running the New York Marathon by any chance George? Hope the trip comes off and you have a good time - you deserve it after this week. I'm sure you will add a few gems to your record collection whilst you're there - my mum got fed up with me disappearing every time we passed a record shop.

Looking forward to tomorrow night.Arthur if you get a chance to read this before you go there is going to be a piece on the BBC Northern Ireland news about the concert.you can come and watch the video around 6.30 if that suits.

Hi y'all. Manus, I was aiming to be in Derry around 4 pm or slightly earlier to meet up with Cliff. I'll give him a call later as I'm sure you will have met him by now. Well George - it's not been good news for you this week so I hope something turns up for you. I'm sure it will. We had our first Anthrax scare at work this week coincidentally just in time for everyone to get to see the footy. Wasn't so funny for those involved in it though - they were hosed down. More later.

well just a few hours to the gig i know that it will be a great gig sorry some of you could not make it over but i see you at the cork gig going out know for a drink with the wife as the songs says tonights night the night see you lot soon ok

have a great night all you lucky bu***rs going tonight. we await a full report.For us poor souls not going I will post a joke to cheer us up.

Really excited now about tonight's gig, please see attached link to story about gig and Cliff's teeshirts. Tell ye's more later......

I've just deleted the joke by mistake and its too long to rewrite. No good news tonight then!

Talking to Cliff and Arthur on the phone earlier, they were watching the film at the B+B. I'm sure they'll tell ye's about it later. Must go now, there's a band palying in Derry tonight and I've heard so much about them

palying???? Must get my typing fingers fixed again

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Tickets at the NFT have sold out according to the Film Festival Organisers and there are only 32 tickets left for the Ritzy (Brixton). So if you haven't got your ticket yet get booking and quick. I was hoping to go to both so if anyone's got a spare for Fridays showing please let me know. Sorry about the TEST, I am still having problems with my P.C. which doesn't always let me see the most up to date pages.

Only 32 tickets left?? Oh my God. I hope my friend in London managed to get some today or my shopping trip is going to be longer than I thought. Thinking about the boy(s) in Derry tonight. On the job front, I have a job interview on Monday over 350 applicants narrowed to a short list of 42. Theres a lot of competition out there.

really sorry to learn about your job-loss George and Alastair, if there is anything I can do. Life sometimes can be very unfair. Just hope that the good times will return soon. Just have to come to grip with the fact that Dublin will be doubtful for me too, there is only a slight chance that I might go. If not, I am sure I will be there at one of the concerts in 2002.

Jackie you are sitting behind the computer at the same time as me, a time when he HAD to squeeze ourselves to the front of a stage somewhere.......

Vinny could you not have nabbed a load of tickets (say 30) and sold them to the genuine Tones fans (like us!) and put 'reserved' notices on the front row-just a thought.

Hello Julius nice to meet you! On your marks, get set..sorry I'm already there!!

So Julius does this mean our competition for first to the front in Dublin is off?

Just received a video of three 'Moondogs Matinee' TV shows - truly amazing even though the production values are very early '80s. Songs and 'live' performances are great and Gerry is a true star (how many outfits and shades did he have?). Julius - I have to spend Tuesday and Wednesday night in Utrecht next week - any chance of us meeting up ?

I have just returned from the Nerve Centre so don't expext any coherent words for a while, amazing is all I can say (x1,000,000) I've just read about the LFF showing and first of all I have to say I don't really get tkt allocation like a gig so sorry about this. When your film is entered that's it, it's the festival's then. But I will see what I can do if anyone lets me know.... I'll talk later...Wilke I'm sorry I couldn't make it to The Gweedore after, ask Cliff and Arthur Why??

I have just searched the LFF website myself and I am trying to find out the capacity of NFT2 and The Ritzy. Derek, were you talking to the main box office? I really wuill try my best to get tkts for anyone who wants to go...The Undertones did some SPECIAL material tonight but I will leave it to CLIFF and Arthur to report on this? Hope you both had a safe journey home, it's only a pity I wasn't around yesterday and today to give Cliff the real tour of Derry!!Well done with the teeshirts and well done THE UNDERTONES!!!!!!

Just home from the gig.I will leave the full report to Arthur and Cliff.All I can say it doesnt get any better than what we had tonight.The Undertones are great anywhere but gigs in Derry are just sdpecial.We havent tallied up all the money yet but we reckon it is just over £6000.I will drop into the site now and again and keep in touch.

I'm just about to phone for tickets- I'll let you know how I get on.Glad the gig went well.

Got two tickets booked straight away, no problems for Sunday screening. When I asked if there were many tickets left he said oh yes, you're seats B19 and 20- I'm obviously going to get a good view! Come on the rest of you get booked up! And I think the person you spoke to was having you on Derek.

Jackie - I've just booked too. He said 'there were still tickets available for that one' thus giving the impression that there weren't many but he didn't say what row. Cinemas usually fill up from the back don't they as the view from the front usually results in a stiff neck for the rest of the week but I will gladly suffer a week in pain to see this one!

Can't wait to hear all about the gig and Donald's lobster joke. I'm still waiting to hear if I've got tickets to see Ash as you had to apply via post. If I do get some I'm going to feel v.old - haven't been to a gig at Leeds Uni since The Ramones!!

Lindsay I'm dithering about whether to see Starsailor at Newcastle uni- I havent been there since seeing Orange Juice. To make matters worse my friends 15 year old daughter is going and my friend wants me to watch out for her..AArgghh!

My London friend has just confirmed shes also got me a ticket- so I've now got two spares for Sunday screening if anyone is stuck

I'll have a ticket please Jackie. It'll give me an incentive to book my rail ticket. Went to see a local punk tribute band last night called 1977. Before the concert I asked if they could play teenage kicks. Lo and behold an hour later there I was jumping around at the front having had the song dedicated to me. The song was included in a preprinted set list so they might have played it anyway. Still a good night out but not as good as Cliff, Arthur and Vinny. I did tell the local band that the Undertones were playing that night in Derry and how lucky they were to have me watching them instead. Just have to wait for Cliff and Arthur's reports now.

Sean: I was filming last night for Manus Martin, just a kinda record of the night. I only filmed about 6 songs and then put the camera away and became a fan!! It was great!!Also, you never know where this material will be useful?DVD, Video version of the film....Sean who??

have just got up afterthe best undertones gig that i been to this year thanks to vinny cliff arthur and a big thank you to the wife for letting me get right in the thick of the pogoing the songs were great the boys were out of this world looking foward to the xmas gigs cliff the new tee shirs are great aruthur good to meet you vinny i think we now know we can pogo with the best of them

If the two songs I've heard by Starsailor are indicative of the rest of their stuff, I wouldn't dither or bother Jackie - unless you want come away very depressed (completely the opposite to how you'll feel after seeing The Undertones again - as the messages below will tell you!).

I have just rang the LFF Box Office and they daid the Friday screening is sold out with limited numbers left for the Sunday

Ok Lindsay-I'll not bother! Ok George you can have one of my spare tickets, if you buy me a coffee on the train. The gig sounded excellent as ever.

Hi just a few comments, I'll file a full report later. What an experience. Vinny's film is brilliant - it's such a great story, 5 kids from Derry who started a band and made it. It'll appeal to a wide audience, not just fans who know the band. Fantastic. Up a rickety 20 foot ladder trying to put Cliff's banner up and eventually taking it down. Meeting Manus Martin - sir you are an absolute gent and if there is anything I can do or if you are organising anything just get in touch. I met Vinny O'Neill (the Pete Best of the Undertones' story).

The gig itself was sweaty, unbelievably exhilerating and a reminder that I'm well unfit. Vinny, you chancer - what happened - you're not even carrying a beer gut and you sat out large parts of it. Wilke - it was a pleasure meeting you. Sorry we didn't get to go for that drink but you'd gone by the time we eventually left. The band did 3 completely new songs penned by the great John (Rock God) O'Neill and they had class written all over them. My personal favourite on first listen was the second tune they did.... ' Waiting for a Girl Like You' More hooks than a 10 year old trout but Vinny preferred the first new tune and Cliff the last one. More later.

just another line about last night the new songs are just as good as the old ones all so hello to the guy i met in the pub thanks for the drink deborah sorry for nearley pulling you arm off as i drag you out to the dance and once more a big thank you cliff vinny deborah arthur for a great nights crack see ya

Reading the postings today I wish I was in Derry last night? At least 3 new songs to look forward to in Dublin/Cork.

Sean,you got that wrong....I pogoed to the opener 'Jimmy Jimmy' and it took me several songs to recover.Thats normal(sadly!).

I got back to Stansted this morning at 11am and at work by 1PM, I found it so difficult to concentrate on customers orders coz my mind was still in Derry.The gig was just the best, absolutely fantastic, The Undertones at their brilliant(exhilarating, spine tingling) best.The sound was perfect, every song sounded spot on without exception.

The Undertones getting back together was a dream come true for me.I never thought for one moment they would.This last year and a half has been great, but NEW songs was a different matter altogether.Now that HAD to be to much to ask for and then there was the question of whether they could possibly be as good as the original stuff, and if not, surely that would tarnish their reputation.Fortunately they are level headed enough to realise all of that and as John O'Neill has previously stated he would have to be extremely confident of any new stuff (that he'd written)to play it in front of an audience.Well, he obviously was and last night we were treated to 3 brand new Undertones songs, all of which sounded right up there with previous stuff.(New Undertones songs....who'd have ever thought it?!!).

The first didnt get any introduction at all, 'SHUT DOWN' was fast and powerful,yet melodic(sound familiar?).The 2nd was introduced as 'A Troggs cover version'....'WITH A GIRL LIKE YOU'.I found myself after 30 seconds thinking 'This is a bloody good song but why do they keep playing covers?!!'And the 3rd 'RIDE ROUGH ESCALATOR'(I think) was just plain class(sound familar?)This, by the way, was introduced as 'An old B-side we found'.Of course I want to hear them all again ASAP just to make absolutely sure I love them as much as I did last night.Apparently there are more on the way.........

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