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Don't worry Julius, 25 shirts should be plenty.I like KK, he wears his heart on his sleeve, hes passionate, he produces exciting teams, hes a school boy at heart, he had the balls to admit he wasn't good enough for the England job, hes a top man in my book.

Hey you school teachers, I have a simple theory on many of todays anti-social behaviour problems.It all started to go wrong when parents AND teachers were told not to smack kids, absolute bullshit IMO.

Funny how adults stop smacking children when they get to be the same size as them don't you think ? There are other ways of chastising children usually by embarrasing them in front of their friends or denying them things they like. Just my opinion but then I don't have kids.

Why do you think that is Rick? And in your opinion would maybe a severe embarrassing in front of someone's mates be an alternative to prison for an adult? And how often do you severely embarrass them before trying something else? I don't condone smacking but I have smacked my children on isolated examples. Somehow children have to learn right from wrong. As a civilised human being I cannot argue that smacking sounds wrong - but equally as a parent I can see that in some cases it is an alternative or a deterrant to doing wrong and in some cases it works better than other deterrants. Not in all cases and I hope that whenever I have smacked my children it is only because at that time I had tried the other alternatives and they hadn't worked. Now if I can apply that logic as a parent I can also see that there are bound to be circumstances where there is a place for smacking in school.

Sorry - meant to say as a civilised human being I cannot argue that smacking is right.

I knew you'd respond to that Rick and I knew you'd disagree.I remember watching a programme about 15 years ago when a woman said they're not children they're 'little adults'.It sent a chill right through me.Silly woman.

I blame all this anti social behaviour on the popular music that these young people are listening to. Especially those really satanic acts like Westlife and Britney Spears.

They are children but they have rights and inflicting violence on other human beings is wrong. That said, no-one is perfect and I can see how people lose their temper from time to time. But smacking is wrong and it's often the easy way out. Many Irish school experiences were marked by the 'beat it into them' school of theology and it was accepted and condoned. In reality, physical beatings were the thin end of the wedge but it gets to the stage where it doesn't work. Often it's about the parent/adult's frustration as much as it is about the child's misbehaviour.

I think prison is the best punishment for adults Lee. I remember being most afraid of teachers who used the threat of corporal punishment but got away without ever using it. However, I was also smacked at home when I misbehaved. Once I was an adult I sometimes wondered whether I now had the right to give my father a smack when he offended me or did something I thought was wrong.

The greatest punishment I was ever given and which hurt the most was being denied watching episode 2 of 'Pyramids of Mars' (1975 Dr. Who story) by my parents. I never saw that episode until it was released on video in the late '80s. When I finally saw it it tasted like sweet revenge for what I thought was totally unjustified action by my parents.

But Kevin Keegan did make some great records, eh?

Head over Heels in Love, wasn't it, kids in the park, jumpers for goalposts. We used to play like this the odd time and there was usually a fight. 'In off the post' or 'Hit the post and back into play'

smacking a child for bad behaviour is not violence Arthur, thats where this subject often gets confused.

I think corporal punishment in schools wouldnt work now- you'd just be sued. You can be sued for emotional abuse now- shouting at them isn't even an option ! A kid in our school fell over and broke his ankle last year- parents are sueing head for 'not maintaining the field properly' (!!)There's no such thing as an accident nowerdays and before long, teachers will refuse to do anything like PE, outdoor education, school visits etc because of the fear of being sued. Shame really. As for smacking my kids have been brought up well enough(!) to have only needed smaking about 3 times each. And yes it was violent and I regretted it immediately. When your own child is older Cliff your views may alter. I was smacked occasionally til I was about 15 then it had no effect, I just used to laugh. Never did me any harm though!!

I liked Kevin Keegan after he did an auotograph for my son in WH Smith at Kings Cross-didnt even complain. Football gossip- so has Posh left Becks then???

Cliff do you wanna fight about it then?

q did anyone tape the thing on ch4 a few weeks ago about the sex pistols never mind album if anyone has can they do me a copy.alex maureen wants to know if your still up for the match on sat in amsterdam?donald have sent you something in the post let me know if you get thanks tssy

liam try what you said still can`t get in to the chat room is there any thing esle i can do .p.s. can any body please help me to get my lovely wife tickets to the donny osmond gig in ireland, no its not a miss print i did say donny osmond

Bought tickets today for `Tones Nerve Centre 28th Dec - see you all there! Yippee!!!

the first have of the last posting was made by me the sencond was made by my wife whos seems to have lost her mind over donny you got to belive me .SHE NEEDS help

I've never smacked my children. Being the none resident parent I have to resort to bribery or blackmail, as I can't take the chance of them going home to my ex and her mother saying that dad hits them. I frequently accidently run into big mouthed kids while out running though, and if they still have big mouths after I have past them I occasionally turn round and go back. 25-30 years ago I would never have dared to shout abuse at an adult. Today it is almost a surprise not to be verbally abused.

This time next week I should hopefully be on a Ferry crossing a very calm placid North Sea on my way to Amsterdam. Not too long to go. I can't really get worked up about Christmas until after the concerts.

I was smacked by my parents and by teachers at school.Are they 'violent' people? of course not.As you rightly say George '25-30 years ago I would never have dared to shout abuse at an adult. Today it is almost a surprise not to be verbally abused'.So what has changed and why?

You have grown up and turned into your Dads:), kids always behaved like little shites, only now were the old farts they're shouting at. Totally agree about the 'blame culture'we're living in. Its always someone else's fault when something goes wrong. The Proclaimers have a good song about it called 'I'm the victim'.7 days to go...

Nothing has changed. Read 'A Child of the Jago' by Arthur Morrison detailing gang life darn the east end at the turn of the century.

I'm just back from watching Celtic get lucky again!!(sarcasm sorry) Clare Grogan was there before kick off to give us a song, wish she hadn't bothered as it was pish. Bad feeling about the return leg Vigo tried every trick in the book and the ref was a drama queen, but if we can score early who knows....

Just from personal experience I feel that certain teachers at my school were indeed violent people, not only that but they were the worst type. Bullies. Now back to my usual mince.

donin when do you arrive in Amsterdam, are you on the same flight as Donald?

Just got an email about the next Ramones Tribute Night from no other that Arturo Vega. Also heard from Marky Ramone and the Speedkings who are going to organise some stuff to be auctioned at the gig. Any suggestions for possible acts for the night? It is in April. Will hopefully get a website up after Christmas witht he details.